The Problem Isn’t Just the Extremists. The Problem is the Texts Themselves: Anti-Gay Quotes from the Koran and Bible in the Wake of the Orlando Shootings

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Skeptics often seem pretty fallible for being supposed skeptics. But I try to be a rationalist and I am interested in the “skeptics” community and atheist thinkers like Christopher Hitchens, Richard Dawkins, Sam Harris, and others. But I’m not so interested in pushing for atheism per se, as for advocating for right and wrong. Certain moral issues are black and white and no one should excuse the justifications for murder, rape, or the subjugation of women that exist in the Bible and the Koran (Quran). I don’t know if abolishing religion is the answer but I am all for abolishing these religions. They can never be totally free of the intent of the dark verses promoted in their writings or of the abusive ways they were practiced in history and still are practiced in many places, especially in the case of Islam. Whether no religions should take their place I don’t know. My mother is part of a wonderful church that seeks to combine the best parts of different Eastern and Western religions. They create a supportive community and seem to be on the up and up financially. Why can’t humans move on to create something better? Why cling to a corrupted tradition? Why not create a secular philosophy that recognizes none of us knows why we are here, or at least religions that don’t tell us in their “holy” books that men have a right to control women or that homosexuals should be murdered? People certainly can come up with superior moral frameworks than these texts written by people who had some reasonable and beautiful things to say, along with a whole lot of cruelty, insanity, and violent rhetoric. The only reason Christianity is not abusing people the way it used to (women, Jews, homosexuals, scientists) is that it has been corralled by liberal concepts of scientific inquiry and human rights. These values haven’t even made it to the Islamic world yet in the 21st century. Most people in the United States currently practice their religion moderately. The problem is that extremists can still be affected by the hateful messages that exist in the writings of these religions. There is no genetic difference between us and Europeans that burned witches at the stake. We simply live in a different time, tempered by liberalism. It is possible these bad ideas can become re-popularized, in the wake of a severe economic disaster, global environmental catastrophe, or war. The problem isn’t just the extremists. The problem is the texts themselves. And these texts contributed to the hate-fueled murder of mostly gay men and others in Orlando. Other things did too, access to guns, anger issues, but these religious texts were a factor in these people’s deaths. Human beings who will never be hugged or feel the sun on their face ever again. And whose loved ones will live their lives with the depression of pointless loss. I figured this was going to happen sooner or later. I just didn’t know if it would be a Christian militia member or an Islamic extremist.

In the wake of the Orlando shootings, lets review some quotes from the Quran, as it is a blatant lie, promoted by apologist leftists, that these verses actually have nothing whatsoever to do with extremist behavior. As if following the edicts of your religion has actually nothing to do with that religion…

The Quran

“…For ye practice your lusts on men in preference to women: ye are indeed a people transgressing beyond bounds…. And we rained down on them a shower (of brimstone)” (7:80-84)

“We also sent Lut : He said to his people : “Do ye commit lewdness such as no people in creation (ever) committed before you? For ye practice your lusts on men in preference to women: ye are indeed a people transgressing beyond bounds.” (Qur’an 7:80-8)

The Hadith and homosexuality:

“When a man mounts another man, the throne of God shakes.”

“Kill the one that is doing it and also kill the one that it is being done to.”

The Bible

“You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination.” (Leviticus 18:22)

“If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives.” (Leviticus 20:13)

“For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet. (Romans 1:26-27)

“Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God. (Corinthians 6:9)

For more uplifting and inspiring (not) Bible quotes here

And yes I am aware of the fact that The Catholic Church and other Christian charities do a lot of good too. Move on, loose the backward baggage, and create something even better.

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